Comments on: Boone goes back to the whiteboard https://pickensplan.com/2010/07/boone-goes-back-to-the-whiteboard/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=boone-goes-back-to-the-whiteboard A Project of T. Boone Pickens Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:47:27 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.2 By: David Powell https://pickensplan.com/2010/07/boone-goes-back-to-the-whiteboard/#comment-1041 Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:47:27 +0000 https://pickensplan.com/boonecam/?p=788#comment-1041 Best responsible, patriotic plan going, but how to get the nation to demand action-that’s the million-dollar question.

Pockets, yes-I think that is the key.

Money-nothing gets people more motivated than money in their pockets.

Sad, but true.

Boone implements a stock or company that we can invest in with our meager devalued dollars.

Then the people of influence like you will come and our pathetic politicians will respond.

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By: Missy Steichen https://pickensplan.com/2010/07/boone-goes-back-to-the-whiteboard/#comment-1040 Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:07:14 +0000 https://pickensplan.com/boonecam/?p=788#comment-1040 Pete Rohrig,

1 MCF is the energy equivalent of 7 gallons of diesel fuel. I hope that answers your question. Please help us PUSH the Pickens Plan… Contact your elected officials and tell them to support HR 1835 and 1408. America’s future, new jobs and energy independence depend on a new energy plan!

Missy : – )

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By: Paul SADLER https://pickensplan.com/2010/07/boone-goes-back-to-the-whiteboard/#comment-1039 Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:31:09 +0000 https://pickensplan.com/boonecam/?p=788#comment-1039 I saw and heard Mr. Pickens give his white board presentation a couple of years ago. The plan featured both wind energy and natural gas. I watched as he promoted wind energy to build the “Pickens Army”. Today I see his update and it is all about natural gas, no mention of wind energy for electricity. Most of you signed up as result of a tv campaign featuring wind – are you aware that the interests of natural gas are fighting the development of wind energy in every regulatory body?

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By: Garth Saalfiled https://pickensplan.com/2010/07/boone-goes-back-to-the-whiteboard/#comment-1038 Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:45:20 +0000 https://pickensplan.com/boonecam/?p=788#comment-1038 I’ll try to keep this to 1 question: GAS TOWN?
We need to start, develope and finalize what the environmental issues are and how those issues can be dealt with.
How about it T. Boone? Can we get around these issues? Because they cannot be swept under the rug and kept there. Too many people ( us ) involved.
Let’s come ‘Front

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By: David E. Bruderly PE https://pickensplan.com/2010/07/boone-goes-back-to-the-whiteboard/#comment-1037 Tue, 20 Jul 2010 03:32:07 +0000 https://pickensplan.com/boonecam/?p=788#comment-1037 Myth #1: Natural gas is a fossil fuel that destroys the environment. Any industrial activity can cause pollution problems if not conducted properly, even production of advanced lithium ion batteries and biofuels. There is no affordable, perfect solution — yet. NG creates a pathway to rapid deployment of hydrogen motor fuels that will be needed when fuel cell vehicles are ready for market. And NG-derived Hydrogen Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles will achieve 2050 goals of 80% lower carbon emissions.

Myth #2: Fracking will destroy water supplies. The problems with “fracking” can be solved by Congress re-instating the provisions of the Safe Drinking Water Act that were revoked by the 2005 Energy Act and by drillers following good engineering practices to conserve, treat, reuse and properly dispose of wastewater.

Myth #3: NGVs have performance problems. WRONG. Every other perceived barrier to the widespread use of natural gas as a motor fuel is easily solved by good vehicle design. The CNG Honda Civic GX is the cleanest, mass produced vehicle available today; the only problem is that less than five thousand are made last year.

Myth #4: Natural gas vehicles are less efficient. WRONG. NG is 130 octane; an optimized NG engine is more efficient and cleaner than a gasoline engine. Can you say Honda Civic GX? But the real policy objective is not slightly higher efficiency; it is petroleum displacement and reduced pollution.

Myth #5: CNG vehicles have reduced range because the fuel storage tanks are too large; a technology breakthrough is required before NGVs are practical. THIS IS TYPICAL FUZZY LOGIC ADVANCED BY DEFENDERS OF THE STATUS QUO. CNG does NOT have a storage problem; vehicle manufacturers have simply failed to design vehicles to accomodate the larger fuel storage space required by compressed natural gas. When a vehicle is sized for gasoline storage, it is difficult to retrofit a larger CNG storage system. This is a VEHICLE DESIGN FAILURE. Type 4 CNG tanks are no heavier than liquid fuel tanks loaded with fuel; larger yes; heavier no. Vehicle weight reduces efficiency, not fuel storage tank volume.

Myth #6: There are no NG fuel stations. Any competent engineer / construction company can install a NG fuel station in less than 6 months; but very few businesses can mass produce 100,000 vehicles. Why do auto makers assume that consumers will only buy vehicles that operate on dirty, high-carbon liquid fuels that has ranged in price between $2 and $4 per gallon over the past two years? This is crazy; in other industries the needs of the customer come first. The marketing egg-heads for US automakers have have completely lost touch with the needs of their customers.

Myth #7: A Volt plug-in hybrid will cost $40,000; this is crazy. Automakers could easily ramp up production of millions of clean, efficient, affordable multi-fuel vans and pick-ups (added cost would be < $2,500) that empower consumers to choose their preferred motor fuel at the pump. E85 for $3/gge in Iowa; CNG for $1.89/gge in Florida.

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By: Glenn H. Snead https://pickensplan.com/2010/07/boone-goes-back-to-the-whiteboard/#comment-1036 Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:29:31 +0000 https://pickensplan.com/boonecam/?p=788#comment-1036 Boone,

Great presentation. But you missed a few vital points to sell this to trucking companies:
1. Conversion cost per truck
2. Fuel economy: How far can I drive a natural gas powered truck?
3. Natural gas availability:
– Can my drivers find this at truck stops?
– WHEN can they find natural gas at truck stops?
– Will they make it to the next truck stop on natural gas?
4. How does converting to natural gas affect my maintenance costs?
5. What about “fracking?” I’ve heard it destroys a lot of groundwater.

Cover these points in your next presentation and you’ll convert a few companies and achieve your 8 million truck goal without Federal intervention.

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By: Jack Shortt https://pickensplan.com/2010/07/boone-goes-back-to-the-whiteboard/#comment-1035 Sat, 17 Jul 2010 04:41:36 +0000 https://pickensplan.com/boonecam/?p=788#comment-1035 The Pickens Plan has been and remains right on target. I have trouble understanding why the free market is not already moving us in the right direction. The price spread seems to jusify the higher cost of the fuel system. Certainly CNG fueled vehicles are cheaper than electric.

Boone did neglect to tell us that most of the 18 wheelers are likely to prefer Liguid NG fuel to accommodate long haul trips. That will be a bit more expensive than CNG, but should remain much cheaper than diesel.

Fueling stations may be the limiting factor. We have a chicken egg situation here. No trucks > no fueling stations. Build the stations and the trucks will come, build the trucks and the stations will follow.

Transmission and distrbution of nat gas will not be a limiting factor. We are already doing it. Unlike the electrical grid, the gas transmission grid exists, and will not limit vehicular use.

Cleane Energy, a company started by Boone is already building lots of stations, mostly out west and some in the east at population centers, air ports, shipping terminals etc. Not much help for the big wheelers…..yet. Cleane is selling well over a million gallons gasoline equivalent per year.

I doubt that big oil is fighting natural gas, certainly not Shell. They produce lots of it, and they have been buying up reserves in US. They seem to be betting on the Pickens Plan.

Incidentally, Chesapeak Energy, the largest US producer of nat gas is planning to export our gas. We have so much domestic nat gas that the producers are shutting in their wells! The stuff is a glut on the market!

World leaders in use of nat gas for vehicles include Iran, Pakistan and Peru. The whole world will be on nat gas before wwe get there!!

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By: Nick Goldblatt https://pickensplan.com/2010/07/boone-goes-back-to-the-whiteboard/#comment-1034 Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:31:18 +0000 https://pickensplan.com/boonecam/?p=788#comment-1034 An Mcf is 1000 cubic feet.

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By: Robert m wojciechowski sr https://pickensplan.com/2010/07/boone-goes-back-to-the-whiteboard/#comment-1033 Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:24:37 +0000 https://pickensplan.com/boonecam/?p=788#comment-1033 I think all the above comments have merit. My concern is like most Americans this Congress will not do anything for this Country that they can not Control. We the American People need to vote in November, and replace the present Congress with Politicians that will work for Us. Than and only than will Congress do what is needed to get us off of OPAC OIL, and with the help of Private Enterprises.
Robert Wojciechowski sr

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By: Bob https://pickensplan.com/2010/07/boone-goes-back-to-the-whiteboard/#comment-1032 Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:17:07 +0000 https://pickensplan.com/boonecam/?p=788#comment-1032 How about the extreme environmental destruction that extracting NG from shale causes? This process is called fracking and very easily destroys ground water. There is also the problem of the chemicals that are introduced into the ground to extract the gas and water. In wooded areas and forests the NG companies clear cut a minimum of 5 acres for EACH well site whether it produces NG or not. Plus they build gravel roads through pristine forests to get to these locations, which necessitates additional clear cutting of land. Each well site then has large evaporation tanks of toxic chemicals that remain on the site forever, and let’s not forget the football field size waste water (toxic water) evaporation “ponds” built for each well site. NG from shale and the fracking process may produce NG, but it quickly destroys the environment and causes numerous health problems for anyone living near a well. None of this information is given to the poor souls that lease their land to NG companies in order to save their farm or family from bankruptcy. Strongly recommend you watch Gas Land for first had accounts of this business. Gas Land has been on HBO recently, but there may be other outlets to find it.

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